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Knight
07-11-2005, 08:20 PM
Follow the link...

http://www.megagames.com/news/html/hardware/atih-l2deal-thecostrevealed.shtml

I'm stunned...
Apprentice
07-12-2005, 06:21 AM
It's not a secret that ATI pushed VALVe to release Half-Life 2 last year, especially after the release of Doom 3 earlier that summer, hence releasing a game that hardly had any enjoyable elements. Postponing the release was not an option for ATI, especially after the whole id Software/Nvidia package deal.

Personally, I still feel that ATI made a huge error in going into business with VALVe, especially after the whole Steam debacle and the source code theft which resulted into a crappy game that still manages to be "Game of the year" almost everywhere . . .
a_nevels666
07-12-2005, 10:42 AM
Originally posted by Apprentice:
It's not a secret that ATI pushed VALVe to release Half-Life 2 last year, especially after the release of Doom 3 earlier that summer, hence releasing a game that hardly had any enjoyable elements. Postponing the release was not an option for ATI, especially after the whole id Software/Nvidia package deal.

Personally, I still feel that ATI made a huge error in going into business with VALVe, especially after the whole Steam debacle and the source code theft which resulted into a crappy game that still manages to be "Game of the year" almost everywhere . . .



If you think Half-Life 2 is crappy, I very much doubt you´ll like Sin 2 or any other First Person Shooter for that matter.
Apprentice
07-12-2005, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by a_nevels666:
If you think Half-Life 2 is crappy, I very much doubt you´ll like Sin 2 or any other First Person Shooter for that matter.


On the contrairy. I've enjoyed Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Call of Duty and Unreal (Tournament) to name a few. Heck, I even liked the original Half-Life (plus Opposing Force and Blueshift).

Clearly it's not that I don't like FPS games in general, I simply wasn't impressed with Half-Life 2 . . .
a_nevels666
07-12-2005, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by Apprentice:

Originally posted by a_nevels666:
If you think Half-Life 2 is crappy, I very much doubt you´ll like Sin 2 or any other First Person Shooter for that matter.


On the contrairy. I've enjoyed Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Call of Duty and Unreal (Tournament) to name a few. Heck, I even liked the original Half-Life (plus Opposing Force and Blueshift).

Clearly it's not that I don't like FPS games in general, I simply wasn't impressed with Half-Life 2 . . .



Meh, there's a difference between not being impressed bya game and a game being crap, but what the hell. Personally I thought Return to Castle Wolvenstein was a LOT more generic than Half-Life 2.
Riddled
07-12-2005, 03:49 PM
Half-life 2 SINGLEPLAYER was awesome.
Half-life 2 MULTIPLAYER was <font color="red">non-existant</font>. &lt;- Fatal mistake.

And when Valve finally released MP it was totally rushed (to prevent a mod capitalizing on standard deathmatch and to *improve* sales) and the netcoding was (and still is) obsolete.
a_nevels666
07-12-2005, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by Riddled:
Half-life 2 SINGLEPLAYER was awesome.
Half-life 2 MULTIPLAYER was <font color="red">non-existant</font>. &lt;- Fatal mistake.

And when Valve finally released MP it was totally rushed (to prevent a mod capitalizing on standard deathmatch and to *improve* sales) and the netcoding was (and still is) obsolete.



I still had some fun throwing toilets at people using the gravity gun though.

Also, with HL2 came CounterStrike Source for free as well, so technically you could consider that HL2´s multiplayer...
Apprentice
07-12-2005, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by a_nevels666:
I still had some fun throwing toilets at people using the gravity gun though.


The gravity gun is the only fun thing about HL2DM, the rest seriously lacks if you compare it with other on-line FPS games including it's predecessor.


Also, with HL2 came CounterStrike Source for free as well, so technically you could consider that HL2´s multiplayer...


Some people don't like Counter-Strike that much as VALVe has hoped and/or aimed for and a quick Source conversion isn't enough to convince me to play CS:S. I'm more of a Day of Defeat player, but when the Source version will be released remains to be seen. DOD: Source has been listed as "Comming soon" from October last year and that was nine months ago . . .

Apart from any Source ports there is also the issue of cheating. Currently all VALVe games are infested with cheats and with an anti-cheat agent that (simply put) doesn't work, it spoils a lot of fun. I know many good players that have moved from a VALVe game (CS/CS:S) to another game simply because VALVe is unable to combat cheaters at a professional level.
a_nevels666
07-12-2005, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by Apprentice:

Originally posted by a_nevels666:
I still had some fun throwing toilets at people using the gravity gun though.


The gravity gun is the only fun thing about HL2DM, the rest seriously lacks if you compare it with other on-line FPS games including it's predecessor.


Also, with HL2 came CounterStrike Source for free as well, so technically you could consider that HL2´s multiplayer...


Some people don't like Counter-Strike that much as VALVe has hoped and/or aimed for and a quick Source conversion isn't enough to convince me to play CS:S. I'm more of a Day of Defeat player, but when the Source version will be released remains to be seen. DOD: Source has been listed as "Comming soon" from October last year and that was nine months ago . . .

Apart from any Source ports there is also the issue of cheating. Currently all VALVe games are infested with cheats and with an anti-cheat agent that (simply put) doesn't work, it spoils a lot of fun. I know many good players that have moved from a VALVe game (CS/CS:S) to another game simply because VALVe is unable to combat cheaters at a professional level.



Oh, I agree with all of that, it´s just that I think Half-Life 2´s single player campaign alone is easily worth the price of admission and quite possibly the best FPS single player campaign ever.
CixrTyx
07-12-2005, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by Riddled:
Half-life 2 SINGLEPLAYER was awesome.
Half-life 2 MULTIPLAYER was <font color="red">non-existant</font>. &lt;- Fatal mistake.

And when Valve finally released MP it was totally rushed (to prevent a mod capitalizing on standard deathmatch and to *improve* sales) and the netcoding was (and still is) obsolete.



I must have played a different game then you did?
Awesomely horrible, and dont ever compare SiN 1 to HL1 because SiN1 was infinitely better. Both HL 1&amp;2 are both the worst games ever. Oh scripted events, oh gravity gun ya they are teh ghey.

I'm hoping they use the same weapon balance and innovation for SiN: episodes.
a_nevels666
07-12-2005, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by CixrTyx:

Originally posted by Riddled:
Half-life 2 SINGLEPLAYER was awesome.
Half-life 2 MULTIPLAYER was <font color="red">non-existant</font>. &lt;- Fatal mistake.

And when Valve finally released MP it was totally rushed (to prevent a mod capitalizing on standard deathmatch and to *improve* sales) and the netcoding was (and still is) obsolete.



I must have played a different game then you did?
Awesomely horrible, and dont ever compare SiN 1 to HL1 because SiN1 was infinitely better. Both HL 1&amp;2 are both the worst games ever. Oh scripted events, oh gravity gun ya they are teh ghey.

I'm hoping they use the same weapon balance and innovation for SiN: episodes.



Yes, apparantly you have played a different Half-life 1 &amp; 2 than the rest of us, because I very much doubt anyone else here would call Half-Life awesomely horrible.

Oh, and Half-Life was no more scripted than SiN was.