My Arena map (arena_BS_DN39)

[BloodShed]

This is gona be my first map for Arena mode. ^_^
This is a remake of Stadium from Duke Nulem 3D, that will hopefully feature hi-res textures from the HRP pack for the win-ports (if I can get ahold of the creator)

Here's an early shot of the entire level.
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/2653/arenabsdn39earlyah5.th.jpg (http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=arenabsdn39earlyah5.jpg)
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Here's a test release for you all ^_^
http://bloodshed4real.googlepages.com/sinepemergencearenamaps

extract to
c:\Steam\SteamApps\Steam ID\sin episodes emergence\SE1

the rar is structured so it will put the files in the right places within that folder (unless you disabled "Extract full paths").

Remember to give feedback so I can make adjustments and then make the veriant versions ^_-

[Xpiredperson]

Sweet! I loved the Duke.
It should be awesome, cant wait for it to be finished:D

[BloodShed]

Just for the hell of it, here's a shot from the original (about the same area)

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/9918/arenabsdn39earlycomperisonmd4.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=arenabsdn39earlycomperisonmd4.jpg)

[Xpiredperson]

That brings back memories, I hope to see the sign in the middle of the field :D

[Riddled]

I hope it works out. From my experience in Arena mode if a spawnpoint is in my FOV, enemies will not spawn there until I look away.

[MeatPuppet]

You can set the spawn locations to spawn an NPC even if it is in the fov of the player.

[BloodShed]

After an hour of frustration I made the elevator stop at the right hight, and made the goal post's (need to fix the texture).

http://screenshot.xfire.com/screenshot/large/8da3ce71d77d9f930a61ac65e5eaed0237b6cffc.png
http://screenshot.xfire.com/screenshot/large/a340dc8e79259dfadac749b75b0f313b4fc55470.png

[Xpiredperson]

Bwahaha oh so sweet

[BloodShed]

Well I got the Hi-res textures but now im faced with a weird problem -_-
most of the textures (not the stock ones) have a weird hologram-card effect or a purpole overlay for some reason.
can somebody help?

http://screenshot.xfire.com/screenshot/natural/d2f75396b9fdf6aebb23518180d09e6bf005d9f9.png
http://screenshot.xfire.com/screenshot/natural/fac55e4be9186259dd7dc2130bd9adec84195783.png

EDIT:
Nevermind I fixed it ^_^

[BloodShed]

Im almost complete now ^_^

But I want the community to help me decide how the NPC's spawn (ie. spawn out of nowhere, or comming out a small shack's in the corner's).
Post your idea's and help me out.

here are the latest screen shoots
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/871/arenabsdn390004pp4.th.jpg (http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=arenabsdn390004pp4.jpg) http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/2943/arenabsdn390003am9.th.jpg (http://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=arenabsdn390003am9.jpg) http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/709/arenabsdn390002hs3.th.jpg (http://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=arenabsdn390002hs3.jpg) http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/1540/arenabsdn390001ri5.th.jpg (http://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=arenabsdn390001ri5.jpg) http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/2755/arenabsdn390000sc3.jpg

[CommanderZx2]

The problem with this map is that there is no where to duck out of enemy fire. You'll be mowed down by enemy fire in the first few seconds, especially if there are machine gunners around.

You're going to have to add some sort of building or some boxes to duck behind.

The reason this wasn't a problem in Duke Nukem 3D was because bullets traveled pretty damn slow back then and you could generally dodge almost anything.

[Xpiredperson]

You can have mutants coming from the the edges at the corners and in the middle on both sides

[Loengard]

Yeah make it a mutant map than evertything should be cool :)

Btw. How did you do the Skybox? Everytime I try to add one it shows nothing in game (I already checked for leaks... nothing!)
Is there a special trick in SiN:E?

[Quason]

But I want the community to help me decide how the NPC's spawn (ie. spawn out of nowhere, or comming out a small shack's in the corner's).
Post your idea's and help me out.

I'm going to vote for "spawn out of nowhere". That'd be a bit more chaotic (chaos is fun sometimes) and precludes the possiblity of someone padding their score by spawn-camping the shacks.

[JoelF]

I'm tempted to fiddle around with the map editor, but I'm apprehensive. That looks like it was really difficult... Does anyone know where to find a tutorial that goes from the pure basics onward? (I know there's an Arena mode thread; I just want to get my feet wet by reading up a fair bit on it first.)

[BloodShed]

oh man this is gona be a big reply.
well here goes.

The problem with this map is that there is no where to duck out of enemy fire. You'll be mowed down by enemy fire in the first few seconds, especially if there are machine gunners around.

You're going to have to add some sort of building or some boxes to duck behind.

The reason this wasn't a problem in Duke Nukem 3D was because bullets traveled pretty damn slow back then and you could generally dodge almost anything.

I could proberbly make a 2nd version with different kinds of cover ^_^

Yeah make it a mutant map than evertything should be cool :)

Btw. How did you do the Skybox? Everytime I try to add one it shows nothing in game (I already checked for leaks... nothing!)
Is there a special trick in SiN:E?

The same as above i'll make a standart version and one with mutants.

The skybox is easy ^o^
1) give the sky portion of your level the texture "skybox"
2) in the map properties (Map -> Map Properties) you set the name of the sky you want to use (use the texture browser with the filter name "skybox" to list them all). I used "sky_finale".

I'm tempted to fiddle around with the map editor, but I'm apprehensive. That looks like it was really difficult... Does anyone know where to find a tutorial that goes from the pure basics onward? (I know there's an Arena mode thread; I just want to get my feet wet by reading up a fair bit on it first.)

The following are for HL2 but it's easy to adapt to Sin Ep ^_^

3D Buzz has training videos for HL2 (I learned to make maps for UT2k4 from that site ^_^), but you need to register to download (it's free)
http://www.3dbuzz.com/vbforum/sv_dl_index.php

Some other good tutorial sites:
http://www.snarkpit.net/editing.php?game=HL2
http://www.interlopers.net/
http://www.chaosincarnate.net/cannonfodder/cftools.htm
http://www.romeojguy.com/tutorials.php

[Loengard]

Thanks for little "how to" for the sky_box - It now works in my map!
Can't wait for yours! I loved DN3D so much and to make 2 versions is a good idea :)

[BloodShed]

Thanks for little "how to" for the sky_box - It now works in my map!
Can't wait for yours! I loved DN3D so much and to make 2 versions is a good idea :)

No problem ^_^

If you need more help give a call ^_-
http://www.ritualediting.com/wiki/?title=User:BloodShed

[Xpiredperson]

OOOoo How about Quads coming from each side of the pitch for some real fun :D

[Sparda]

But having it a mutant map...where is my damn health and my damn ammo?

[Xpiredperson]

Easy, either have Some Ammo Crates placed in certain locations of have respawnable items that apear every couple of minutes. (But in a close combat mutant map theres no need for extra ammo, trust me ive tried it :D)

[BloodShed]

Here's a test release for you all ^_^
http://bloodshed4real.googlepages.com/sinepemergencearenamaps

Remember to give feedback so I can make adjustments and then make the veriant versions ^_-

btw here's a shot of what happens when you set "max live children" to -1

http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/6374/arenabsdn390005yj0.th.jpg (http://img60.imageshack.us/my.php?image=arenabsdn390005yj0.jpg)
A Real FPS eater

[Sparda]

OMFG this is Crazy, I love it, pure mindless killing what more could you ask for, but crickey the chainguners are bitches.

[BloodShed]

OMFG this is Crazy, I love it, pure mindless killing what more could you ask for, but crickey the chainguners are bitches.

The chaingunners are easy if you time your grenade right.
I should also mention that I placed a secret in the map. ^_^

[ripper_hugme]

Omgah!!!! This Is Pure Chaos.

[snake289]

the map looks great:D

[UTWarden]

Omgah!!!! This Is Pure Chaos.
X2

I'mma admit I HATE these kinda maps, 0 cover and enemies Galore....

[BloodShed]

X2

I'mma admit I HATE these kinda maps, 0 cover and enemies Galore....

Don't get your panties all in a bunch.
There will be a version with some crates or other type of cover when this one is done (wich is very close).

BTW have any of you found my little secret?

[UTWarden]

Don't get your panties all in a bunch.
There will be a version with some crates or other type of cover when this one is done (wich is very close).

BTW have any of you found my little secret?

While not almost dying?! WTF you thinking?! :p

[BloodShed]

While not almost dying?! WTF you thinking?! :p

it's pretty easy ^_^

Spoiler!
Make a grenade explode in-between the "fork" goal in the Bad ass end of the field

[Xpiredperson]

LOL Awesome map! Nice secret too lol
That was pretty hetic i was owning the grunts then got rapped when tons of chaingunners spawn :D

[BloodShed]

LOL Awesome map! Nice secret too lol


did you try shooting it in the face?

My current plans for the veriants (that will be released together in one big pack) are:

- BS_DN39-c Same as the original but with varies types of cover.
- BS_DN39-m Mutant version (not sure if it works)
- BS_DN39-mc Mutant version with cover

And when the Multiplayer mode is released there will be a veriant of that too ^_^

[Xpiredperson]

Sweet!
I dont know what it could be but i got the urge to shoot that secret in the face :)

[BloodShed]

Sweet!
I dont know what it could be

Take a guess ^_-

[Xpiredperson]

Playing this map has inspired me to make my own.
Thank you :)

[BloodShed]

Playing this map has inspired me to make my own.
Thank you :)

Nice to know I actually inspired somebody ^_^

[snake289]

i dunno where to put the test lol im a bit of a n00b extracting maps and stuff without instructions o_0

[UTWarden]

i dunno where to put the test lol im a bit of a n00b extracting maps and stuff without instructions o_0

your not alone, I can tyell you were to put anything for an Unreal based game but I'm lost in this one too.

Maybe a Sticky is in order to help people where to put things where??

[BloodShed]

i dunno where to put the test lol im a bit of a n00b extracting maps and stuff without instructions o_0

ups sorry about that i'll include intructions in the next release.

extract to
c:\Steam\SteamApps\Steam ID\sin episodes emergence\SE1

the rar is structured so it will put the files in the right places within that folder (unless you disabled "Extract full paths").

[Eveningfall]

This map is fun BloodShed. I lasted the entire 15 minutes though. My aim sucks too. It kept decreasing the difficulty.

[BloodShed]

Sorry for my absence (got a alot of games in the mail, and adding them to my database takes time)

here's a shot of one of the cover types that will be added to the cover version (other then generic box's)

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/7286/roguecoverew6.th.jpg (http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=roguecoverew6.jpg)

and here is my inspiration
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/7132/roguecoverbasevv2.th.jpg (http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=roguecoverbasevv2.jpg)

[IcemanSimo]

im such a noob at hammer i need some in depth info on how to make maps bad.

looks awsome cant wait to try it all out once the final version is released.

does anybody know of where to get in depth tutorials on how to use hammer?

[BloodShed]

im such a noob at hammer i need some in depth info on how to make maps bad.

looks awsome cant wait to try it all out once the final version is released.

does anybody know of where to get in depth tutorials on how to use hammer?

3D Buzz has some really good HL2 Video tutorials (requires registration wich is free). It's easy to adabt to Sin Emergence

http://3dbuzz.com/vbforum/sv_dl_index.php

[MeatPuppet]

When I play this I can't help but think of headless guys carrying bombs in both hands. They are screaming and running straight at me.

[BloodShed]

When I play this I can't help but think of headless guys carrying bombs in both hands. They are screaming and running straight at me.

You mean the guys from Serious Sam that have a bomb in one hand and their head in the other?

[IcemanSimo]

thanks heaps bloodshed ill defietly pay attention to that site heaps.