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CptCox 12-21-2002 10:22 AM

Moddable?
 
So is CZ going to be as moddable as CS?

My team is already getting prep'd for CZ, and we were just wondering.

warrior 12-21-2002 05:17 PM

Re: Moddable?
 
Good question.

We'll still be able to use scripts and so on right?

CptCox 12-28-2002 04:01 PM

Ignring?
 
I think the dev's are ignoring us!!

badman 12-28-2002 05:25 PM

Re: Ignring?
 
Don't forget that it's the time of the year where a lot of people are taking a much needed break from work. [img]/forums/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

warrior 12-28-2002 05:41 PM

Re: Ignring?
 
Hey, I wasn't ragging on Ritual. Everybody deserves a break.

I have faith in their ability.

weasl 12-28-2002 11:03 PM

Re: Moddable?
 
*cough* what makes you think we'd be crazy enough not to allow the community to mod CZ?

Spectre 12-29-2002 12:50 PM

Re: Moddable?
 
It should be moddable. Ever since Half-Life: Counter-Strike started, everyone who could attempted to mod for the game...

Scarcrux 12-31-2002 09:15 AM

Re: Moddable?
 
Here's a snippet from the Shacknews preview of Condition Zero: </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr />
While on the topic of tools, Here's a big one for the editing community. One of tools being used at Ritual that will throw the map makers out there for a loop. Ritual is not using Worldcraft to edit their maps, they have a custom version of QERadiant (The editor used in the Quake3 editing community) that they are using. Ritual is currently planning to release this new editor to the public along with Condition Zero.

[/ QUOTE ]

Assim 12-31-2002 10:25 AM

Re: Moddable?
 
And the guys working on GTK Radiant will always keep it updated with new features.

Spectre 12-31-2002 03:07 PM

Re: Moddable?
 
Sounds good, with yer permission i would like to post this information @ http://www.csczfiles.com ?

warrior 01-01-2003 03:58 AM

Re: Moddable?
 
Well I guess that answers the question!

kanaeda 01-01-2003 05:19 PM

Re: Moddable?
 
actually, there's already support for using the older version of radiant, QeRadiant, for half-life editing. it uses a plug-in to add support for textures in wad format, and comes with entity files for half-life and a few other mods like cs.

Castle 01-01-2003 07:14 PM

Re: Moddable?
 
Hello CptCox

I do believe that there is some complications for allowing an add on to be modable because it is already a type of mod. However im not sure if this will prevent CZ mods from happening. though I intend to find out as soon as I can to answer your question.

We are currently using a Ritual only version of Radiant that I happen to prefer over GTKR currently due to some clunky interface issues and lack of paint select. hehe though I do know ill have to bite the bullet and use GTKR if I intend to make anymore Quake 3 dm maps this year. Im sure I can at least get paint select working with the latest version of GTKR and that would make my world into blue happy skies. Im sure that shortly after CZ is released some mad man like Ydnar will add support for CZ to GTKR.

This should be good news to all those people out there who love Radiant and want to make levels for CS or CZ or even just simple Half life.

Korrupt 01-01-2003 08:59 PM

Re: Moddable?
 
Castle,

That is great news. I've used the various Radient flavor editors from SiED through Q3/FAKK2... they're simple and they work. (well, SinED wasn't exactly "easy" [img]/forums/images/icons/wink.gif[/img] ). Anyhow, hands down a lot better than working with the current HL editor Hammer / Worldcraft. I think the mod community will love the tools they'll recieve from Ritual.

CptCox 01-01-2003 11:07 PM

Re: Moddable?
 
Thanks Castle, and I do agree, you guys do deserve a break, since the holidays started my team's been a little out of it too.

The biggest quesion is will the source code or small parts of it be avalible to the public? 'Cause as with CS, it'd be impossible for my team to re-create the code, and then modify it for the mod. Like you guys, I cant go into details about what we have planned, but I can say that some of the stuff we will be adding are new weapons/characters (not just new models, but new classes and such) and game modes.

I'm betting your gonna say 'no' to the above question, so I'll ask this. If you guys (or Valve) dont want to release the code, will the current game setup support a editing such as the beloved rewriting of CS's titles.txt, basicly, adding lines of code to some file that you can open in Notepad (or something in the GDK) that will tell the game 'add this thing and look here for other files and stuff'?

Hopefully you understand what I just wrote, 'cause I almost dont!

KevinUK 01-02-2003 08:51 AM

Re: Moddable?
 
Interesting..people making mods of mods. Shouldnt these be updates of a mod or called an entirely new mod? [img]/forums/images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

warrior 01-02-2003 02:41 PM

Re: Moddable?
 
Mods is gaming now!

CS is the most popular 3D shooter on the Internet. And it's a MOD.

CptCox 01-02-2003 05:00 PM

Re: Moddable?
 
I think we'd be the first to mod a mod!

kanaeda 01-02-2003 06:42 PM

Re: Moddable?
 
condition zero is definitely not what I would consider a mod. it's more on par with stuff like the opposing force and blue shift expansions for half-life.

Castle 01-03-2003 08:56 AM

Re: Moddable?
 
well thats why I said a type of mod.
opfor and bshift are add ons yes but they are also treated as mods by the game tree as far as I know. technicaly they are much more than a normal mod however to the game itself anything other than vinela half life is a mod. So I mean its a type of mod. eh.. its all splitting hairs we know that CS is a stand alone game yet we also know its a mod also. CZ is more like opfor than CS by far imho.

Anyway ill see what I can find out about mods for CZ.

Grandpapa 01-04-2003 09:19 AM

Re: Moddable?
 
Modding keeps game alive.

Spectre 01-04-2003 06:53 PM

Re: Moddable?
 
indeed

scottytx 01-05-2003 12:25 AM

Re: Moddable?
 
Most mods tend to be multiplayer nowadays, and modding for multiplayer CZ will be the same as modding for multiplayer CS, since they will be wrapped into one.

Creating single player mods for CZ would be noble, but single player mods aren't really the kind that keep games alive.

weasl 01-05-2003 03:45 PM

Re: Moddable?
 
It's worth noting that the single player component of CZ is a separate code base from the multiplayer CS component.

The multiplayer component will simply be the latest version of the counterstrike with exclusive multiplayer maps created for the CZ box.

The single player component is NOT a mod for Half-life, anymore then Sin is a Quake 2 mod.
Condition Zero does not require HL to run, and thus falls out of the mod category. Condition Zero is a completely self sufficient single player package created with the Half-life engine. Those who wish to use CZ to create singleplayer mods and levels will find that Ritual has added a number of excellent features to the code base to allow for more dynamic gameplay and increase customizable art and level assets usage.

So in short if you wish to make multiplayer mods for CZ, you're going to simply be working with the latest and greatest version of CS. Those wishing to create singleplayer content for CZ will have access to the tools and enhancements that ritual has made with the CZ code base.

Assim 01-05-2003 04:31 PM

Re: Moddable?
 
Well that pretty much explains everything! Thanks!


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