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Old 05-19-2003, 10:11 PM   #1
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the worst thing about all of counter strike is the way they made the right hand weapon models. they were just mirrored from the left, there are exceptions in the current version of CS(m249,p90,desert eagle and more). so what they did was put all the wrong parts on the wrong sides making the right hand models look like crap.

i will get soooo pissed if i buy(or download) CZ and right hand see the weapons all screwed up. i did like the new m4 and ak, so i just hope they put the shell ejectors and all that other stuff where you cant see them from the right hand view.

why did they make them left handed to begin with?
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Old 05-19-2003, 10:30 PM   #2
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why did they make them left handed to begin with?

[/ QUOTE ] Gooseman, the creator of CS, is left-handed.
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Old 05-19-2003, 10:36 PM   #3
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well he could have made the right hand models look the way they should too.

there isnt any need to be so lazy
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Old 05-20-2003, 04:35 AM   #4
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From the CZ screenshots I've seen it looks like the weapons are right handed.
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Old 05-20-2003, 11:46 AM   #5
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" they were just mirrored from the left, there are exceptions in the current version of CS(m249,p90,desert eagle and more). so what they did was put all the wrong parts on the wrong sides "

If the wrong parts were on the wrong side and the right hand version was simply a mirror of the left (which it was) then we can interpret that to mean that the wrong parts were on the wrong side to begin with (on the left hand versions). =o)

Having the shell ejectors and other moving parts in the player view may be incorrect, but the reason they get made that way (in many, many games) is to add to the player viewmodel effects. Many people would rather have the effects present than a technically correct weapon that is basically static because all the moving parts are on the side they can't see...
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Old 05-20-2003, 12:42 PM   #6
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Not only is it more cool looking but it provide visual feedback that you are actually fireing your weapon.

Sometimes emulating the real world isn't the best for game design. (Not directed at your Mr.Clean, just a general statement to the forum visitors).
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Old 05-20-2003, 03:34 PM   #7
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you people probably arent gun freaks so you wouldnt understand why this is such a problem.
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Old 05-20-2003, 03:40 PM   #8
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Actually, we have several gun freaks here whom are always happy to keep us all very aware of why it is a problem. On the other hand, it's a game not real life. Sometimes realism has to give way to game design.
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Old 05-20-2003, 03:55 PM   #9
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im just asking for realistic models, its not like making the guns look the way they should is gonna change the gameplay. i just want the game to look the best it can. and it cant if the models dont look right.
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Old 05-21-2003, 06:25 PM   #10
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well i_r_children when cz comes ot sitt down and make your own skinz for it. and stop saying that ritual peeps are lazy they are doing a very good job
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Old 05-21-2003, 06:55 PM   #11
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i shouldnt have to if they dont screw up
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Old 05-21-2003, 07:41 PM   #12
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unless you are fully aware of how the weapon-clipping system works, as well as it's capabilities and limitations, it would be great if you stopped bad-mouthing the artists. they've done a fantastic job with a less than ideal system.

here's the deal... we either create unique weapon models for each and every weapon and item in the game to correspond to both left and right handed players, or deal with the fact that one or the other is going to be incorrect. as stated before, the original author of counter-strike is left handed and his design relfects that fact. in order to remain compatible with counter-strike, we have to retain the weapon model system.

so, to make a long story short, it is the way it is out of necesity as opposed to choice.
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Old 05-21-2003, 08:36 PM   #13
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as i said before, i did like the new AK and M4 models that i saw, they looked good. but in the pics they were left handed. so i am just wondering if the modellers are going to make the same mistake again when they make the right hand weapons.
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Old 05-21-2003, 09:47 PM   #14
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Old 05-21-2003, 11:04 PM   #15
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i'd say make them yourself as modelreplacement....
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Old 05-22-2003, 06:17 PM   #16
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the way counter-strike, and just about any fps game in general, works is that you model the weapon once and there is some programming done to 'flip' the weapon model to the other side. counter-strike is designed around the model being built on the left and there is some code to 'fip' the model over to the right hand side. essentially the code mirrors the model so that it draws properly. it would be counter-productive to build a seperate model for both right and left handded models. We have no choice other than to build the model on the left side. The down-side to this is that the gun model is technically incorrect on the side that is mirrored with relation to the original. no matter what we do, one side is going to look wrong. the weapon definitely has a more dynamic and powerful appearance if you can see the movement and operation when you pull the trigger, so i'd say it's pretty much a wash. it might not be 100% accurate, but i don't think anybody is upset that you get to see the working side of the gun all the time. [img]/forums/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 05-22-2003, 06:53 PM   #17
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oh well, im just going to hack the best models i can find to be perfect for right handers.

i already finished hacking the QS AK47. and it is the absolutle perfect ak model ever. i just need to submit it to places after i make my own textures.

oh and im using the scaling technique that the HD pack for hl and the new DOD models use where i make the front of the weapons bigger than the rest of the model to make it look better inview.

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Old 05-22-2003, 07:39 PM   #18
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you sir, depress me greatly.
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Old 05-23-2003, 09:47 AM   #19
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so he made them himself...

what was all the fuss about then if you could do it yourself
I believe there is an realism update for that kind of stuff.
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Old 05-23-2003, 01:19 PM   #20
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Old 05-23-2003, 04:15 PM   #21
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the point is i dont want to do it myself. those guys should be making the new default models look the way they should so i wont even need to collect custom models or make my own. it shouldnt be difficult for these "proffesional" artists.
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Old 05-24-2003, 02:11 AM   #22
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Oh the PRESSURE!! I CAN"T TAKE IT ANYMORe!!! I QWUIT!!!
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Old 05-24-2003, 11:08 AM   #23
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Don't worry no pressure is being put on you.... I want this, that, and the thing. You have 3sec. [img]/forums/images/icons/wink.gif[/img] And don't ask why, what, or how just do it now. You have 3sec to do this when you read this message. Muhaahhahahhahahaha! [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 05-25-2003, 08:24 AM   #24
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hey, you should listen to him you know, cus otherwise nobody will buy it.......

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