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Old 01-08-2006, 02:31 PM   #1
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Default A new gaming horizon...

Depending on how you feel about it,heres a question for debate:

How do folks feel about DOWNLOADING their new games via source and not purchasing them from the store in a pretty box? As I write this I can look over to my 'games shelf' and proudly see my copies of HL2,Deus Ex,Splinter Cell etc etc.Those are solid real things that will always be there no matter what disasters might happen to my pc.So what do you reckon...?
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Old 01-08-2006, 04:21 PM   #2
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You'll always have downloaded games too, no matter what disaster befalls your PC...or CD collection. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

It's clearly new to you, but digital distribution is something that has become quite accepted in gaming communites for its age, at least in terms of numbers. A quarter of HL2 sales were made through Steam: more or less a million in absolute numbers. That's fantastic for what is essentially the first time a major release has been made online.

In some ways, digital distribution is simply the next storage medium, up from flexies to floppies to CD to DVD. It will become a normal part of gaming in time, if it hasn't already.
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Old 01-08-2006, 04:30 PM   #3
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I had a problem with this for a while. But the copy protection on Half-Life 2's Collectors Edition DVD wouldn't allow it to run in my computer, so I had to return it. I was bitter for a long time about the experience, but I finally bought the Steam version. It was downloaded onto my computer within about an hour and a half. I just reinstalled my computer because I blew it up by doing something stupid and it took lessthan an hour to reinstall the game. Plus it installed Half-Life, Opposing Force, Blue Shift, Counter Strike and a bunch of mods during the same time because I entered my CD keys into Steam.

I like it. I only have to remember one password and all my games are back. I don't have to worry about where to keep all the jewel cases, DVD cases, whatever. I don't have to worry about the CD getting scratched or not being stored correctly.

On top of that, more money goes to the developers and less money goes into the pockets of some suit that has had a minimal role with the game. This gives the devs more freedom to explore new things and more money to hire more staff and make better games. Seems like the only people loosing out are the publishers, and I think that they're one of the big roadblocks to putting out new and experimental gaming ideas. It's a win-win for right now as far as I can see. We'll see how it works in a few years when there's 20 different content distributors and each wants to have something running in the background of your PC, but I'll worry about that when there's something to worry about.
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Old 01-09-2006, 11:41 AM   #4
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Default Re: A new gaming horizon...

For the die-hard "retail box" fans, it has been announced that SiNEps will be released at some point in the future as a box/collection-type deal. ParadoX confirmed in a recent interview that once the first few episodes are done, they will most likely be retail boxed and distributed that way. Granted, you'll have to wait a while for that, but then you can proudly display your SiNEps box alongside your others [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

As the previous poster basically said...online distribution rocks [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].
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Old 01-09-2006, 05:59 PM   #5
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I have a solution, if we pay shipping can we get a SiN:Episodes box? Not with a cd or anything, just a box to add to our collections?
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Old 01-09-2006, 07:53 PM   #6
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I prefer online shopping. If I can buy it online, I don't have to get up off my lazy ass. Bringing games to the online market is probably the smartest decision. Not to mention the fact that the devs get more money than the usual retail, then it REALLY makes sense.
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Old 01-09-2006, 08:57 PM   #7
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I prefer at always physical media. On-line transactions are nice, but I don't want to be dependant on a system that at times doesn't allow me to play my games when I want to play them and being left at their mercy for it . . .
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Old 01-09-2006, 09:46 PM   #8
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I really like to get a cool box when I buy my games but I guess the future wonīt let us have it [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] ....I understand there are advantages to online distribution and they can cut away alot of the cost but why donīt we see alot cheaper games this way , we only hear about making the games better ...!?
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Old 01-10-2006, 01:59 AM   #9
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You can burn your game files to a disk and print a nifty label for it. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Hmm,
Hey Romsteady, what if the community made some cool labels or box covers and Ritual chose the best to use on the retail version? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 01-10-2006, 02:41 AM   #10
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Might be an interesting idea for a contest when it gets close.

Personally, I like the idea of Jessica Cannon on the box, but that's me. (grin)
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Old 01-10-2006, 08:07 AM   #11
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Might be an interesting idea for a contest when it gets close.

Personally, I like the idea of Jessica Cannon on the box, but that's me. (grin)
That sounds like a great idea to relieve some boredom.

Anyone got a DVD case cover template that I can use to see where all the edges are and get the right scale? A nice high resolution one would be Preferable.
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Old 01-14-2006, 03:28 AM   #12
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Retail still remains the main market for PC Games.
Polls say 2 out of 3 still prefer buying Games in a physical format.
But adding new ways to sell games and giving more choice to consumers
is always good.
I personally prefer buying in physical format and will continue doing
so, but I think it is good PC Gamers having choice to buy via online
delivery but only if Retail still remains an independent choice for
those that prefer.
Online delivery can only be good if it adds, if it gives more choice
to consumers and not takes away choice from consumers.
What is essential is letting the market decide, letting PC Gamers
decide what is the way they want to buy PC Games and not force them
into systems they didn't ask for.

We all know Sin Episodes is being released via steam, but cause the
PC Game market is mainly Retail they will also release it via Retail
But the big question that I still didn't see Ritual replying is how
will they release it in Retail?
Will they release it in Retail just like Half-Life 2 was?
With Steam inside?
With product activation?
With need for internet access to install and play a single player game?
Who will be the publisher of the Retail version of Sin Episodes?
Will it be Valve? So now Valve is taking the place of publishers?

This I think is wrong, and that is why I still haven't bought and
consequently played Half-Life 2 cause I disagree with a Retail game
having product activation and requiring internet access to install
and play a single player game.

Blueshade I'm with you preferring PC Games in a CD/DVD and in a box but
not when they have product activation like Half-Life 2 has.
You talk about a disaster... well the copy you have of Half-Life 2 will
only install and play if Valve lets you, so with Half-Life 2 you are
always dependant on them to install and play there game now and in the
future.

What I want to hear from Ritual is:
They saying the Sin Episodes Retail version will not have steam
They saying the Sin Episodes Retail version will be published by Sin's
original publisher Activision and not by Valve
They saying the Sin Episodes Retail version will be a normal Retail
version without product activation or need for internet access to
install and play the single player portion of the game.
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Old 01-14-2006, 04:55 AM   #13
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More Steam is good for me, they shall rule the world soon so you had better get used to it.

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Old 01-14-2006, 08:48 AM   #14
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lol haven't seen so many bshit in the same post since years.

it's all clear sir: episodes are release ONLY on steam as a content download. Every 3 episodes ritual will publish boxset in stores (ep1-2-3boxset ep4-5-6boxset and ep7-8-9 boxset).
chanches are that still those boxset will have a steam activation required.
so please stop your bshit and shut up thanks
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Old 01-14-2006, 10:33 AM   #15
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This I think is wrong, and that is why I still haven't bought and consequently played Half-Life 2 cause I disagree with a Retail game having product activation and requiring internet access to install and play a single player game.

I know I shouldn't bother responing to this, but I am anyways.

What about all the business applications that require activation? (PhotoShop, MS Office, etc) And don't forget Windows XP and all future versions of Windows. Does it really matter that they allow you to activate over the phone instead of doing it automatically via the internet? The same thing is accomplished - you have to ask them to turn the product on after you paid for it. Internet activation is heck of a lot easier and faster than a phone activation. Also, you clearly have an internet connection and know how to use because you're posting here. I am just not seeing any merit to your arguments or your problems with Steam.

And online content delivery systems and DRM are coming. There's at least a half dozen companies actively working on creating these things already. And do you think that Microsoft and Sony aren't looking at activation schemes for consoles? You are either going to have to learn to live with software activation and verification or very quickly you're going to need a new hobby.
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Old 01-14-2006, 10:35 AM   #16
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Oh my, sayno2steam is back!
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Old 01-14-2006, 02:14 PM   #17
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I thought we got done with these stupid anti-Steam rants a year ago...
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Old 01-14-2006, 06:25 PM   #18
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Old 01-14-2006, 07:06 PM   #19
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He was bound to comeback sometime. Just make sure when SiN Episodes is released not the tiniest thing goes wrong or he will be back again preaching his anti-steam message.
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Old 01-15-2006, 02:21 AM   #20
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there's nothing bad in steam but i allways liked to buy my games in retailboxes. I will buy and download my first episode from steam but i will buy that box where they publish it. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Old 01-15-2006, 07:45 PM   #21
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Originally posted by Xenogenetic:
He was bound to comeback sometime. Just make sure when SiN Episodes is released not the tiniest thing goes wrong or he will be back again preaching his anti-steam message.
If he can come back. Most likely the forum will be down due to all the n00bs who wonder why they can't play their freshly bought game . . . [img]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Somehow I predict that Emergence's release will be identical to that of Half-Life 2 and Condition Zero. Legit players are unable to play their game ("Game is unavailable", "The server is too busy to handle your request") while the pirated version works and most likely pretty well too . . .
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Old 01-15-2006, 10:26 PM   #22
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The Lost Coast release experienced none of those problems. Granted, it's not as large as a full game, but everyone was downloading it the day it was released. Steam is going to be fine. It's matured a lot since they released HL2.
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Old 01-16-2006, 06:46 AM   #23
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I played HL2 the very second it was released and for the next few weeks. I never onced had any problems with Steam not being available.
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Old 01-16-2006, 07:19 AM   #24
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I played HL2 the very second it was released and for the next few weeks. I never onced had any problems with Steam not being available.
never had any problem too, ever
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Old 01-16-2006, 08:37 AM   #25
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never had any problem too, ever
I had to wait an hour or so for activation when HL2 was released, but other than that it's been fine.
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